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PostSubject: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 am

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Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:20 am

I read the same article Joan here it is below and it was said by Datuk Seri Hishammuddin

"
As far as survivors are concerned, that has always been a priority and I have said that over and over again,"
the acting transport minister said at the daily media briefing in Kuala Lumpur today.

"
But the leads we have received either from satellite images or from other sightings did not indicate or show survivors."


However, he said authorities were "
hoping against hope"
that survivors would be found.

"
I have always said, especially to the families, miracles do happen and we are hoping against hope. We continue to hope and pray for survivors,"
he added.

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:38 am

Just to ad a few more of my thoughts on this Its beginning to look like the Chinese are less interested in finding MH370 and are, instead, using the search for it as an opportunity to engage in intelligence gathering and conduct espionage. That they were not searching in the designated search area and, on the basis of some hobby shop hydrophone equipment, requesting the assistance of one of the two ships capable of extreme deep water beacon detection to 'assist' them in 'refining' their ping detection indicates they may have been more interested in getting a up close look at HMS Echo's capabilities than finding any black box. Then there were the grainy satellite ocean debris they released at the beginning of this operation, their demand that INMARSAT turn over to them the complete data set and work product this company had developed to calculate MH370 probable location. That this could be extremely valuable commercial technology for a future system of monitoring aircraft on long ocean crossings I'm sure never crossed their minds. Why not just be grateful that INMARSAT had made available its findings instead of demanding they turn their methods and data over too. INMARSAT's methods seemed to have satisfied the British government's air accident investigative agency's scrutiny.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:05 pm

Search crews have failed to relocate faint sounds heard deep in the Indian Ocean, possibly from the missing Malaysian jetliner's black boxes whose batteries are at the end of their life.

Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who is heading the search far off Australia's west coast, said sound locating equipment on board the Ocean Shield has picked up no trace of the signals since they were first heard late Saturday and early Sunday.

Time may have already run out to find the devices, whose locator beacons have a battery life of about a month. Tuesday marks one month since the plane vanished. Once the beacons blink off, locating the black boxes in such deep water would be an immensely difficult, if not impossible, task.

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There have been no further contacts with any transmission and we need to continue [searching] for several days right up to the point at which there's absolutely no doubt that the batteries will have expired,"
Houston said.

If, by that point, the U.S. navy listening equipment being towed behind the Ocean Shield has failed to pick up any signals, a sub on board the ship will be deployed to try and chart out any debris on the sea floor. If the sub maps out a debris field, the crew will replace the sonar system with a camera unit to photograph any wreckage.

Houston's comments contradicted an earlier statement from Australia's acting prime minister, Warren Truss, who said search crews would launch the Bluefin 21 autonomous sub on Tuesday.

The towed pinger locator detected late Saturday and early Sunday two distinct, long-lasting sounds underwater that are consistent with the pings from an aircraft's "
black boxes"
— the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, Houston said, dubbing the find a promising lead in the month-long hunt for clues to the plane's fate.
'A herculean task'

Still, officials warned it could take days to determine whether the sounds were connected to Flight MH370, which vanished March 8 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing with 239 on board.

"
This is an herculean task — it's over a very, very wide area, the water is extremely deep,"
Defence Minister David Johnston said. "
We have at least several days of intense action ahead of us."


Houston said finding the sound again was critical to narrowing down the search area before the sub can be used. If the vehicle went down now with the sparse data collected so far, it would take "
many, many days"
for it to cover all the places the pings might have come from.

"
It's literally crawling at the bottom of the ocean so it's going to take a long, long time,"
Houston said.

Despite the excitement surrounding the Ocean Shield's sound detections, Houston warned that the search had previously been marred by false leads — such as ships detecting their own signals. Because of that, other ships cannot be sent in to help with the underwater search, as they may add unwanted noise.

"
We're very hopeful we will find further evidence that will confirm the aircraft is in that location,"
Houston said. "
There's still a little bit of doubt there, but I'm a lot more optimistic than I was one week ago."


Finding the black boxes is key to unravelling what happened to the Boeing 777, because they contain flight data and cockpit voice recordings that could explain why the plane veered so far off-course.

"
Everyone's anxious about the life of the batteries on the black box flight recorders,"
said Truss, who is acting prime minister while Tony Abbott is overseas. "
Sometimes they go on for many, many weeks longer than they're mandated to operate for — we hope that'll be the case in this instance. But clearly there is an aura of urgency about the investigation."

Search for floating wreckage continues

The first sound picked up by the equipment on board the Ocean Shield lasted two hours and 20 minutes before it was lost, Houston said. The ship then turned around and picked up a signal again — this time recording two distinct "
pinger returns"
that lasted 13 minutes. That would be consistent with transmissions from both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder.

The black boxes normally emit a frequency of 37.5 kilohertz, and the signals picked up by the Ocean Shield were both 33.3 kilohertz, U.S. Navy Capt. Mark Matthews said. But the manufacturer indicated the frequency of black boxes can drift in older equipment.

Houston said the frequency of the sounds heard was considered "
quite credible"
by the manufacturer, and noted that the frequency from the Air France jet that crashed several years ago was 34 kilohertz. Pressure from being so deep below the surface and the age of the batteries can also affect the transmission level, he said.

The frequency used by aircraft flight recorders was chosen because no other devices use it, and because nothing in the natural world mimics it, said William Waldock, a search-and-rescue expert who teaches accident investigation at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Ariz.

But these signals are being detected by computer sweeps, and "
not so much a guy with headphones on listening to pings,"
said U.S. navy spokesman Chris Johnson. So until the signals are fully analyzed, it's too early to say what they are, he said.

"
We'll hear lots of signals at different frequencies,"
he said. "
Marine mammals, our own ship systems, scientific equipment, fishing equipment, things like that. And then of course there are lots of ships operating in the area that are all radiating certain signals into the ocean."


The Ocean Shield is dragging a ping locator at a depth of three kilometres. It is designed to detect signals at a range of 1.8 kilometres, meaning it would need to be almost on top of the recorders to detect them if they were on the ocean floor, which is about 4.5 kilometres deep.

Meanwhile, the search for any trace of the plane on the ocean's surface continued Tuesday. Up to 14 planes and as many ships were focusing on a single search area covering 77,580 square kilometres of ocean, 2,270 kilometres northwest of the Australian west coast city of Perth, with good weather predicted, said the Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre, which is overseeing the operation.

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:40 pm

The absence of any more Pings to receive is a set back;
but, not the end of the search. The Pings received so far are a good place to start with alternate resources;
not the triangulation hoped for;
still a better place to go forward from than with no Pings at all. Unless new evidence comes forward that these Pings are not from MH370 - it would seem reasonable to assume that they are. How painful for the families to grasp to a new hope, only to have the pain and uncertainty extended. Commendations to the Aussies and the other nations participating in the search for their diligence and disciplined effort to draw a final conclusion if possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:44 am

Putting everything else aside, it is quiet clear that the batteries on "
Black Boxes"
on all planes now flying are improved to give longer time before the pings stop. It is also essential that even if the transponders are switched off on flights that the authorities can still track the plane wherever it is.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:00 am

More news about it which is positive. Angel

Missing Malaysia plane: Search 'regains recorder signal'

Teams searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have reacquired signals that could be consistent with "
black box"
flight recorders.

An Australian vessel heard the signals again on Tuesday afternoon and evening, the search chief said.

Signals heard earlier had also been further analysed by experts who concluded they were from "
specific electronic equipment"
, he said.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March, carrying 239 people.

It was travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it lost contact with air traffic controllers.

Malaysian officials say that based on satellite data, they believe it ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean, thousands of kilometres from its intended flight path.

"
I believe we are searching in the right area,"
said Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who heads the joint agency co-ordinating the search.

"
But we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370."


'Clear signal'

The Australian vessel, Ocean Shield, has been towing a US Navy pinger locator to listen for signals from the plane's flight recorders in waters west of the Australian city of Perth.
It twice acquired signals over the weekend.

On Tuesday, it located the signals again, the first time for five minutes and 32 seconds, and the second time for around seven minutes, said ACM Houston.

"
Ocean Shield has now detected four transmissions in the same broad area,"
he said. "
Yesterday's signals will assist in better defining a reduced and much more manageable search area on the ocean floor.

The signals have been heard in sea with a depth of 4,500 metres (15,000 feet).


ACM Houston said it was important to refine the search area as much as possible before sending down the Bluefin 21 underwater drone to search for wreckage.

"
Now hopefully with lots of transmissions we'll have a tight, small area and hopefully in a matter of days we will be able to find something on the bottom,"
he said.

Experts at the Australian Joint Acoustic Analysis Centre had also analysed the first two signals heard over the weekend, he added.

Their analysis showed that a "
stable, distinct and clear signal"
was detected. Experts had therefore assessed that it was not of natural origin and was likely from specific electronic equipment.

"
They believe the signals to be consistent with the specification and description of a flight data recorder,"
ACM Houston said.

Search teams have been racing against time to locate signals from the flight recorders before their batteries expire after about one month.

Investigators still do not know why MH370 strayed so far off course, after disappearing over the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam.

The backgrounds of both passengers and crew have been scrutinised as officials considered hijacking, sabotage, pilot action or mechanical failure as possible causes.

So far, there is no official explanation for what might have happened.

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:03 am

Here is a further update from the BBC

A plane searching for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has detected a possible new signal in the southern Indian Ocean, Australian officials say.

An Australian P-3 Orion aircraft picked up the signal in the same area where an Australian vessel detected audio pings earlier this week, officials said.

The signal would require further analysis, but could have been from a "
man-made source"
, officials said.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:09 am

Surely, with the information they now have, it should be possible to triangulate the pings to smaller areas? How many of these pings are duplicated reports from different craft, air and sea, of the same ping? What about the original ping heard by a Chinese vessel? That has gone ominously quiet.The information provided is either ambiguous or vague, which makes no more sense now than it did at the beginning of the search.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Lets hope they don't lose the black box data as they did a couple of years ago.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:10 pm

[size=85:16fgwdsz]World News
This is all looking a bit dodgy to me, especially the last sentence

Investigators probing the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 suspect that the co-pilot of the jetliner tried to make a call with his mobile phone after the plane was diverted from its scheduled route, reports said.

Malaysia's New Straits Times reported the co-pilot's phone was switched on shortly before the plane disappeared from radar screens.

The newspaper cited unidentified investigative sources as saying the attempted call from co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid's phone was picked up by a mobile phone tower as the plane was about 200 nautical miles northwest of the west coast state of Penang.

Malaysia is focusing its criminal investigation on the cabin crew and the pilots of the plane, 53-year-old captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah and 27-year old Fariq - after clearing all 227 passengers of any involvement, police have said.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:24 pm

Rescuers are now using Bluefin 21 submarine to search 5km by 8km zone. This has become too suspicious to be swept under the carpet. It seems that only two possibilities are plausible. Either a decompression in which case there would be debris found by now. The second is the most terrifying one - the plane had become a "
rogue aircraft"
with the transponder having been switched off and it was shot down. They should ask James Cameron to the search, he found the Titanic without all this fuss! The military have spent billions on Submarines and special ships to find a needle and what have they turned up so far..... nothing! s
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:50 pm

This appears to be getting very creepy now and some effort is being made to establish if there is a criminal act here

[size=150:2dfroenm]Missing plane search classified as criminal investigation

English.news.cn 2014-04-02 11:36:59

KUALA LUMPUR, April 2 (Xinhua) -- Malaysian Inspector General of Police Khalid Abu Bakar said Wednesday that the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was a criminal investigation, and there were things they could not share, according to local newspaper New Straits Times.

"
We are investigating based on the four areas of focus ( personal and psychological problems, sabotage and hijacking),"
Khalid said at a press conference after opening the Royal Malaysian Police Quality and Innovation Seminar 2014.

He said until now there had been about 170 statements recorded from family members of the passengers and crew on board the missing jetliner.

Khalid said the investigators did have some clues of what happened, but they would not reveal anything as the investigation was ongoing.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:08 pm

There is something definitely not right about all this and the Malaysians themselves have their doubts.

LATEST REPORT: More than half of Malaysians believe their government is hiding information about missing flight MH370, according to survey results released by a news portal Monday.

Fifty-four percent of more than 1,000 people surveyed by Malaysia's leading independent polling firm said the government was not being transparent about the passenger jet's disappearance, the Malaysian Insider reported.

Only 26 percent said they believed the government was being truthful on the Malaysia Airlines plane, while 20 percent were unsure, the news portal said.

The Malaysian Insider said it commissioned the survey by the Merdeka Centre for Opinion Research, which conducted it from March 24-30.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:34 am

Dodgy, creepy, something definitely not right and a survey, of course all those comments are reasonable assumptions based on Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who heads the agency co-ordinating the search:-
"
We are searching for an aircraft which is at the bottom of a very deep ocean and it's a very, very wide search area,"
he told reporters in Tokyo at the start of a trip to Japan, South Korea and China.
"
While the best brains and the best technology in the world will be deployed, we need to be very careful about coming to hard and fast conclusions too soon."

"
I'm now optimistic that we will find the aircraft, or what's left of the aircraft, in the not too distant future,"



Malaysia's acting transport minister has defended the investigation in an interview for BBC News, his first with a major Western broadcaster.

Hishammuddin Hussein said Malaysia had "
nothing to hide"
, and he was "
cautious"
over the audio signals picked up by search teams.

"
We've been following all sorts of leads from the South China Sea to the Straits of Malacca to the Andaman Sea,"
he said. "
We have to be cautious because the families' emotions are still very raw and I've been through this rollercoaster ride."


So far, there is no official explanation for what might have happened.

I could go on copying and pasting official quotes all day! The Ships and Planes involved in the search all have journalists aboard, i'm sure if there was anything dodgy, creepy and something definitely not right they would be the first to tell the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:37 am

Yes your right but there is nothing wrong with it being discussed here, as daft as it might sound sometimes discussion like this does find the truth and yes sometimes it doesn't.
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