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PostSubject: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 am

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Malaysia Airlines said it lost contact with a plane carrying 239 people on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The plane disappeared on March 8, the problem is, with so little directional information to start with (six and a partial seventh ping, transmitted at hourly intervals), are we SURE we are even searching the right ocean? Why have we heard NOTHING from Rolls Royce re the real time engine management monitoring system? If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia? Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.” Only one nation on earth has the technology to remotely block a planes radar and communications if they felt their base was under threat from a terrorist attack. I believe in the coming days or weeks it will be the USA who find evidence that the plane crashed ??? but in fact I believe it was probably shot down.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:55 am

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Let's take a starting point that 'the authorities' are lying, because they have something to hide. (It's almost certain that someone has been mislaying the public or hiding what they knew). What would 'they' like to pretend has happened? Top of the list, I'd say, is that the plane took an inexplicable route, crashed somewhere in the ocean where no one goes and is now resting under 1000s of metres of water. Er ... isn't that what the authorities claim ? The responsibility of the media is to consider any evidence or report that questions the official story and implies that there has been an enormous cover-up.



What I can't understand in all of this is that having the most highly sophisticated surveillance equipment known to mankind that the Americans apparently failed to track this great big aircraft (transponder or no transponder) from they're top secret base on Diego Garcia. From space the US can read a newspaper over your shoulder! Yet they've said nothing. To us dummies MH370 is "
Oh my goodness what happened there then?"
Whereas to others no guessing is required, especially when you factor in a newly developed 2mm sq micro-chip with a Rom - Ram - and clock that was on-board and bound for trials in China. Developed in Malaysia by the American owned Freescale Semiconductors Corp.who is owned by The Carlyle Group of America who are the worlds biggest privately owned munitions manufacturers.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri May 02, 2014 4:01 pm

Last conversation between missing flight MH370 cockpit and ground control

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri May 02, 2014 4:06 pm

Conspiracy or not? Flight MH370

America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones)
was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban
ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and
control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened in Feb 2014.

The Taliban want money. They want to sell the system to Russia or China. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The
Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command
and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defence scientists to check
the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best
covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile America
has engaged assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight
from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "
Iranians"
with stolen
passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed
their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly
lost altitude momentarily.

How can AWAC do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus)
are installed with a remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeings can be remotely controlled by
the ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system,
changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China
Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft
landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Diego Garcia the American Air Base in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The
cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via ‘natural’ means, lack of oxygen. They believe
only dead people will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers was air borne again via remote control and crashed
into South Indian Ocean, making to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, then blame the defiant
captain and co-pilot.

America has put on a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane
made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first South China Sea,
then Malacca Straits and Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much about the many
Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri May 02, 2014 5:19 pm

The U.S. has a state of the art spy satellite system, with very precise capabilities of monitoring the entire earth's surface, including moving objects at very high resolutions. Everything on this planet is subject to what is called “Layered ISR.” ISR stands for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. By “layered” we refer to satellites, starting with geosynchronous orbit down to LEO, or “Low Earth Orbit.”

These satellites monitor the entire electromagnetic spectrum and include SAR (Synthetic Aperture Capability). Everything that moves, on land or sea, under the sea, even underground, is watched and listened to.

Many of these technologies are part of the United States Space Surveillance Network. The system is the responsibility of the Joint Functional Component Command for Space, part of the United States Strategic Command (USSTRATCOM). The Diego Garcia base "
is one of only a handful of locations equipped with a Ground-based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance system for tracking objects in deep space."


Given the levels of sophistication of these observation technologies, it is highly unlikely that the MH370 flight could have travelled unnoticed over a large span of the Indian Ocean. This system would allow the U.S. to visually and electronically locate the plane at a known time and location and simply follow it via satellite to its ultimate destination even in inclement weather using infrared capabilities.

Retired 35 year Delta pilot, Field McConnell confirmed in a legal filing that since 1995, Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilots have been equipped in Boeing planes.
This information was apparently not released until March of 2007, following a subsequent lawsuit by McConnell. The modification was reported to the FAA, NTSB and ALPA (airline pilots association). According to McConnell’s documents, Boeing is said to have stated that by end of 2009 all Boeing planes would be fitted with the BUAP – making them impossible to manually hijack within the plane but susceptible to remote control by the military, according the flight veteran…..

Additionally, McConnell mentions an ‘autoland’ and ‘autobrake’ feature for the plane, making it possible for these planes to land safely or to be used as a potential weapon according to his information. ”

None of the planes four Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELT’s) were activated indicating the plane may not have crashed. The ELT’s are separate from the plane’s black boxes and are designed to activate when they encounter water or high G forces. Also worth pointing out its unlikely these ELTS could be tampered with in flight let alone turned off. Modern ELTS have a 20% failure rate.

However unlikely and despite official denials, it remains a fact that it is possible to render a target aircraft invisible to radar and remotely control all aspects of flight and landing while possibly rendering passengers and crew unconscious.
If a compelling national security motivation existed the U.S. military has the capability to accomplish such an electronic hijacking of any AIRCIA equipped aircraft and would be highly unlikely to admit it.

An electronic hijack scenario is consistent with tactics deployed and managed by the involvement of a U.S. Navy SOCOM or Special Operations Command and could be limited to less than 800 military and intelligence personnel.

To date, not a single piece of wreckage of flight MH370 has been found despite the resources of 26 countries being deployed to find it.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sat May 03, 2014 10:07 am

A bit more information, I just wonder how much the Americans know about this missing flight. It all looks a bit fishy to me
Today, the main island of Diego Garcia is America's largest military base in the world, outside the US. There are more than 4,000 troops, two bomber runways, thirty warships and a satellite spy station. The Pentagon calls it an "
indispensable platform"
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sat May 03, 2014 7:02 pm

Some good points there willow. Is it possible then that the 20 Specialist scientists /tech guru's and the mystery extra cargo were valuable together. And that the Captains erratic manoeuvres, and his Diego Garcia flight simulator at home he had been using, data he had deleted from it.....are all connected as a planned abduction, known by a government, for further negotiations and use. Possible then that their was a device on board to scramble the satellite data readings, allowing it to be un-traceable momentarily at a point over the Malacca straits so it was able to continue flying on to DG untraced. Causing satellite to think it went either North or South into Indian ocean. This would explain the extra fuel intake also. Another speculative theory as with others, but why not, why could this of not been a planned abduction of the flight, its valuable passengers and cargo. Why could the Captain not have been approached months before (how long before this flight did he acquire the DG flight simulator program) I sometimes fear that we will never know what has happened to these people and that plane. It is very much obvious by now that the authorities know much more than they are revealing and for whatever reason, someone somewhere doesn't want us to know the truth. I can't imagine how the families caught in this mess must feel with a lack of closure as to the fate of their loved ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue May 06, 2014 7:06 pm

At this point it is clear that Malaysian Airlines flight MH 370 which has been missing for two months will almost certainly never be found whether due to the nature of the disappearance, or because it is a cover up stretching all the way to the very top (recall that it was disclosed by none other than NBC that the released air traffic control recording with the plane was edited, suggesting that the government itself is complicit in whatever happened), the plane will forever be entombed in the annals of history, alongside CNN's Nielsen ratings, and its final resting place will remain a mystery. However, over the past 24 hours, another mystery surrounding the final voyage of flight MH-370 has emerged.

The cargo manifest - something which should have been made public the day the airplane went missing and instead was withheld for two months. The manifest is below:



Note that on page 5 of the manifest, in a waybill from NNR Global Logistics in Penang to JHJ International Transportation in Beijing, are disclosed two shipments of some 200 units of Lithium Ion batteries, weighing a gross weight of 2453 kilos. So far so good. However, as the Malaysia Chronicle reported last night, there is a major discrepancy between the declared shipment weight on the manifest, and what Malaysia Airlines stated yesterday. From the Chronicle: A new mystery has emerged in Flight MH370's disappearance with the Malaysia Airlines saying the lithium ion batteries carried in the plane weighed over 200 kg, even as the cargo manifest released recently listed the "
consolidated"
consignment at 2.453 tonnes. "
About two tonnes, equivalent to 2,453 kg of cargo was declared as consolidated under one master airway bill. This master AWB actually comprised five house AWB. Of these five AWB, two contained lithium ion batteries amounting to a total tonnage volume of 221 kg. The balance three house AWB, amounting to 2,232 kg, were declared as radio accessories and chargers,"
the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) said in a statement last night. But this has not been disclosed before and is not stated in the cargo manifest, the Star reported.
According to Malaysian company NNR Global Logistics the batteries formed only a small part of a "
consolidated"
shipment weighing 2.453 tonnes. Even though the MAS said the batteries weighed 221 kg, a company spokesman said they weighed less than 200kg. He, however, did not say what the remaining 2.253 tonnes of cargo was.
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I cannot reveal more because of the on-going investigations. We have been told by our legal advisers not to talk about it,"
he was quoted as saying by the daily. Would it be the same law firm that "
advised"
the Malaysian government to edit the voice recordings before public release?
He said he could not name the company which manufactured the batteries. Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya had also announced on March 24 that 200 kg of lithium batteries were on board the plane. He said they were packed safely. Malaysian authorities released the plane's full cargo manifest along with the preliminary report on the missing Boeing 777-200 on Thursday which showed that NNR Global shipped 133 pieces of one item weighing 1.99 tonnes and 67 pieces of another item weighing 463kg for a total weight of 2.453 tonnes. Neither the number of batteries nor its weight were specified.The manifest came with an instruction that it should be handled with care and that flammability hazards exist. Its flammability had been the source of many earlier theories over how the plane was lost. However, most of the theories have been debunked. So because one mystery was not enough, here is the second one: what is the undisclosed 2 tonnes of cargo? And since absolutely everything about this disappearance stinks to high heaven, including a potentially non-benign cover up, one wonders: what else on the cargo manifest was left undisclosed? I am confident the more conspiratorially-minded, or anyone else for that matter, will have a field day with the opportunities this latest revelations presents.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue May 06, 2014 7:16 pm

So, somebody didn't want two tonnes of military-enabling stuff to get into Chinese hands. They shot it down over the south China sea. After they cleared up the mess, they shipped a few pieces over to the southern Indian ocean (hence the delay before anything was 'spotted' there) to let it float around and make it look like it had gone down there... but the bits didn't stay afloat long enough to be found by a credible party that wasn't involved in the conspiracy (e.g. Australia). No doubt, another bit will turn up on a Western Australia beach before too long, giving 'conclusive' proof that it went down somewhere near there.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue May 06, 2014 10:33 pm

An interesting update....

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: 11 people with alleged links to al-Qa'ida arrested on suspicion of involvement in jet's disappearance

The mystery surrounding the fate of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 deepened after officials arrested a group of 11 people, with alleged links to al-Qa’ida, on suspicion of involvement in the jet’s disappearance. The suspects, aged between 22 and 55, were arrested in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur and the state of Kedah last week.

Investigators, including the FBI and MI6, are said to have called for them to be questioned. They are alleged to be members of a new terror group and include students, odd-job workers, a young widow and business professionals.

An officer with the Counter Terrorism Division of Malaysian Special Branch said that the arrests had heightened suspicion that the flight’s disappearance may have been an act of terrorism.

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The possibility that the plane was diverted by militants is still high on the list and international investigators have asked for a comprehensive report on this new terror group,"
the officer said.

He added that some of the suspects had admitted planning "
sustained terror campaigns"
in Malaysia but had denied any involvement in the disappearance of the Boeing 777.

Flight MH370 went missing on a scheduled flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing almost two months ago, with 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board. There has been no sign of any flight debris and no crash site has been found.

On Thursday Malaysia released a preliminary report on the final moments of MH370, detailing the route the plane probably took as it veered off course and the confusion that followed.

According to the five-page report by the Ministry of Transport, Malaysia did not launch an official search and rescue operation until four hours after the jet disappeared on 8 March, instead wasting precious time attempting to track it in the wrong country.

Angus Houston, the Australian official leading the search, said the authorities remain “totally committed to finding MH370”, but that it could take another eight to 12 months to recover any wreckage.

Senior officials from Malaysia, Australia and China are due to meet in Canberra next week to decide on the next steps in the search for the missing plane.

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Fri May 09, 2014 11:44 pm

What does any member make of this report

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[size=150:3gz76skp]The geopolitics of MH370

Having bashed Malaysia over the missing flight, China is now making up

May 10th 2014 | KUALA LUMPUR | From the print edition

THERE will be no let-up in the efforts to find the missing Malaysian Airlines jet Najib Razak, Malaysia’s prime minister, vowed on May 5th. Despite his promise, however, there is growing acceptance that it will take months even years to find any trace of flight MH370, which disappeared on March 8th. Hopes that any of its passengers might still be alive must also be cast aside. The new search area in the Indian Ocean will alone cover 60,000 square kilometres (23,000 square miles)—and that is on top of the 4,600,000 square kilometres already scoured. Because the focus of the search-and-rescue mission has now moved to the west coast of Australia, Malaysians have some breathing space to reflect on a traumatic two months in the glare of the world’s attention. The country has taken a battering, but the longer-term damage is another matter. The saga has emphasised how much Malaysia matters in the geopolitics of the region: the two Pacific superpowers, America and China, have both come to play big roles in the search for the missing plane, if in very different ways.

In any reckoning, Malaysia’s handling of the loss of MH370 has been a public-relations disaster. The tone was set during the first week by the authorities’ confusion, stonewalling and contradictory messages. One of the gravest flaws has been a deep reluctance to release information, however innocuous. This antagonised the victims’ families. And the problem persists. On May 1st the Malaysian government published a much-heralded report on the disappearance of the plane. This turned out to consist of just five pages, containing little new information. But, as one government adviser admitted: “If we had got this out there in the first week, there wouldn’t have been a nine-week drumbeat of everyone calling us lying bastards.”

Government and politics

Opposition politicians and critics of the government say that the damage to Malaysia’s reputation is a result of the country’s poor governance. Malaysia, the argument goes, is more authoritarian than democratic, with little transparency or accountability in government.

There is some truth to that. But government officials are justified in feeling frustrated that the failures of communication have overshadowed their success in efficiently putting together an extraordinary coalition of countries to look for the plane. On the technical side, many acknowledge that Malaysia has done an adequate job with the relatively limited means at its disposal. It has also gone beyond the call of duty in opening up to its search partners, sharing sensitive details of its military radar system, for example, with the Chinese.

One person who has stood up for Malaysia over MH370 is Barack Obama. During a recent long-scheduled visit to Malaysia, the American president went out of his way to laud the country’s leadership of the search operation. America has contributed a vast amount of equipment, man-hours and money to the search for the missing plane, out of all proportion to the three Americans (out of 227 passengers) lost on the flight. This has brought the two countries closer, at a time when America is searching for new and reinvigorated alliances in the region. Historically, there has been a good deal of anti-Americanism in Muslim-majority Malaysia, but for the time being that seems to have been stilled. Mr Obama got a hero’s welcome from everyone.

That in turn may help account for the zigzag course of China in the MH370 affair. The flight was en route to Beijing, and over half the passengers were Chinese. But rather than support the Malaysian government in the first month or so, China seemed to incite the distraught families into ever fiercer, often histrionic, criticism of Malaysian officialdom, perhaps to deflect attention from the possibility that the plane might have been downed by home-grown terrorists. The Chinese did nothing to dispel some of the alternative, wilder conspiracy theories circulating in Beijing.

In recent weeks, however, the tone has changed. The Chinese ambassador to Malaysia has told the Chinese-language press in Kuala Lumpur that his country accepts that the disappearance of MH370 was not some dark conspiracy and that Chinese-Malaysian relations are unaffected. The wave of criticism in the official Chinese press has largely abated. Perhaps China feels, in the regional battle of wills with America, that it needs good relations with Malaysia and that these were threatened by its attacks. Malaysia is China’s largest trade partner in the Association of South-East Asian Nations (ASEAN). It also has a large ethnic-Chinese population, and thus could be helpful in its disputes in the South China Sea with other ASEAN countries, such as the Philippines and Vietnam, both firmly backed by America.

Mr Najib makes an official visit to China at the end of this month, marking the 40th anniversary of diplomatic ties between the two countries, initiated by Malaysia’s then prime minister, Abdul Razak, Mr Najib’s late father. With power so finely balanced in the region, China will strive to make the visit go smoothly, including keeping angry families at a face-saving distance

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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sat May 10, 2014 4:23 pm

Quite a lot to read here and plenty of views to ponder on and none of them should be dismissed!! Everything coming out on this now, clearly shows that this incident was pre-planned. But the reality is, whoever has done this has been successful and they have fooled all the experts and all the governments in the world Perhaps the multilateral approach has failed, because there lacks a more centralized structure where resources are pooled.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Sat May 10, 2014 4:37 pm

I can agree with parts of what you posted willowsend but not all. The biggest issue I have is how all this was handled from the start as though it was a very badly rehearsed drama which I believe it is however my hypothesis is that the technology on board MH370, either human assets or assets within the cargo bay, or both, needed to be intercepted and stolen. Or, intercepted and destroyed. The collateral damage was negligible to those who perpetrated such a criminal act. If you consider the IP held by the Freescale employees, Philip Wood and his position as a data security expert with IBM (working on Defence technology), Philip Wood's girlfriend, Sarah Bajc (who use to work for Israeli firm Tescom with clients such as Rafael ) and the desperate race by several countries wanting to acquire the KL02/03 Semiconductor technology, the plot thickens. It's easy to debunk most 'conspiracy theories', they surface in abundance and usually involve aliens or far fetched scenarios that bear no weight, let alone any solid references to research. I recommend people sit quietly and do some research themselves. While evidence may be lacking to support my hypothesis, it is reasonable to say that there are a number of motives for wanting the technology that was on the plane. Although not apparent to the general public or perhaps, even the main stream media, there is a trail and it leads to an entity with a sinister agenda. I can hope the investigation in to the disappearance of flight MH370 proves my theory wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Thu May 15, 2014 10:41 pm

The more details that emerge of just how shambolic the investigation and subsequent search for the missing plane has been the more I'm beginning to believe the conspiracy theorists that this has been one massive cover up from day one.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue May 20, 2014 3:21 pm

Agreed davshaz. The most irritating part of this whole MH370 coverage is - when any new lead comes up, it is just dismissed as 'false leads' because the experts are going by the calculations of their so called 'INMAR Satellite Data'. Why can't they just go and check out the leads? At least for the sake of the victims' relatives, and the rest of the world, who are patiently waiting to hear the long awaited news on this tragedy, the mystery that has baffled everybody including experts and scientists. Sometimes, technology can fail us, it is not 100% accurate! In reality, we need to try and work out on all possibilities. Hope this mystery comes to an end, soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Malaysian Flight MH370   Tue May 20, 2014 6:50 pm

If the acoustic pings were genuinely from MH370's black boxes then Bluefin should have been capable of finding the debris field. Regardless of salinity and temperature gradients in the deep water, those pings will only carry for a limited maximum distance which should have defined the search area. Therefore the reported findings are contradictory. The capabilities of both sets of equipment and how well they were operated needs to be scrutinised. There are hints that it's the sensitivity of the Bluefin results that's being questioned as it wasn't designed for those depths, but possibly they were only looking for large pieces of debris when the aircraft was reduced to fragments. Against that, if the pings were genuine the failure to find any floating debris is amazing considering the extent of the aerial search. But what else could have caused the false positive results, said to come from both of the two black boxes? The obvious thing to do would be to drop a live black box in the search zone and circle around it to test at what points it could be detected, but nothing has been mentioned. I understand Inmarsat's calculated points on the flight path are dependent on the assumed bearing and airspeed of the aircraft at different times, and as these aren't known, this gives a very wide range of options. The initial focus area was based on best guesses of speed &
bearing at the end, and it was astonishing that they detected pings so quickly. But I'd also like an explanation of the peculiar timings of the handshakes received which weren't in accord with the announced design specification for the equipment. At the time in question Malaysia was engaged in multi-national military exercises but nothing has been released about those or whether MH370 ever overflew the exercise area. If so, there should have been good military information available. In a CNN interview it was revealed that Indonesia also submitted a report on MH370 that they weren't prepared to make public. Presumably this will be regarding radar tracking around Sumatra and could do much to explain the planes manoeuvres in the first couple of hours. Did it actually make dramatic changes in altitude or not? These are all questions that are revealed by various pieces of published information, but there are many more resulting from the 'dog that didn't bark' thinking – for instance what intelligence did America provide/withhold? All in all, releasing Inmarsat's raw data only goes a small fraction of the way to answering the questions that we are all asking.
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