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PostSubject: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:31 pm

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Here is a debate for all us members to voice our opinions. It doesn't matter whether you live in the UK, Bulgaria or even Timbuctoo It should make some interesting reading, and the first thing I would like to ask is "what are the implications involved to UK citizens who live in the UK and have property in Bulgaria"



EU Membership: Reasons For And Against Leaving


There are pros and cons of Britain's membership in the EU. look at some key arguments on both sides of the debate.

There are strong arguments for and against Britain's EU membership

David Cameron has started negotiating a new deal with European Union partners ahead of a referendum on the UK's membership in the bloc.


Here are five of the reasons for and against Britain's membership of the EU.

Reasons To Stay

:: Millions of jobs are linked to our EU membership

As far back as the year 2000, it has been claimed that three million jobs rely directly on our membership of the European Union. The figure was even cited by Nick Clegg during his time as Deputy Prime Minister.

An analysis by Full Fact found that millions of jobs are linked to the EU, but said there is no evidence to show how many would be in jeopardy if we left.

:: Some of Britain's biggest trading partners are in the EU

Some of Britain's largest trading partners - including France and Germany - are in the EU.

More than 50% of our exports go to EU countries, and our membership allows us to have a say over how trading rules are drawn up.

:: It's easier than ever for us to work and travel abroad

Around 1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU, and having membership makes movement around the continent incredibly easy. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid in all EU countries.

:: Crime fighting

The European Arrest Warrant cuts out the need for long and complicated extradition procedures and allows criminals to be brought to justice across the EU.

:: Influence in the world

The EU is the world's biggest market and plays a big role in world trade, climate change issues, development projects and more.

It has the clout to take on multinationals such as Google and Microsoft. At the moment Britain plays a key role in the EU, and leaving would see us forgo that.

Reasons To Leave


:: Border control back in our hands

The flip side of the freedom of work and travel for UK citizens is that people from other EU countries are free to travel to and live in Britain.

UKIP leader Nigel Farage says any attempt by the Government to control immigration into the UK is futile as long as we are in the EU.

:: We could make a large membership fee saving

Like most clubs, the EU charges a membership fee, and it has been claimed that the cost is around £55m per day.

Analysis by Full Fact estimates the figure is closer to £24m per day when rebates and other receipts are taken into account.

:: Institutions are seen as lacking democracy

The European Parliament is directly elected, although the powerful Commission which proposes legislation is not.

Because many of these laws supersede legislation made by individual states' parliaments, some see the system as undemocratic.

:: Other countries successfully go it alone

Many Eurosceptics look to rich Norway as a country which trades with the EU without being in it. It also controls its own agriculture and keeps its fish, rather than being bound by EU quotas.

:: Get rid of any threat to Britain's military freedom

There is a push within the ranks of the EU's leaders for it to have its own army.

The president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, said earlier this year that it would help show Russia the EU was serious about defending member values.

In the past the British Government has been forced to block moves to create EU-controlled military forces
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:45 pm

The EU will collapse there is no doubt, however we will be ordered to keep increasing our contributions to prop it up, so it keeps going a bit longer ! the figure will increase to near £60,000,000 a day in a very short while ! What you now see in mainland Europe is a shift of support to everyone wanting independence and self rule but most importantly an end to mass immigration , more countries will demand referendums of their own especially now the UK has ? when that happens the whole project will collapse like a pack of cards, when that time comes make sure you don't have any investment in the EURO as you will not be left with the shirt on your back ! The UK needs to leave the EU now!! before we get dragged down, with it
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:49 pm

What the hell is going on in Europe, all this in the last 24 hours

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sat Jul 16, 2016 7:11 am

  What indeed Willow, Seems like everyone is hitting the panic button recently.  Lets hope they sort themselves out before long

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:36 am

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  What indeed Willow, Seems like everyone is hitting the panic button recently.  Lets hope they sort themselves out before long

Perhaps not quite everyone Berni

Politics » BULGARIA IN EU | July 14, 2016,


Bulgaria: Bulgarians 'Would Vote Remain' If Asked

A referendum on Bulgaria's membership in the EU would have resulted in a majority voting to stay, a recent poll suggests.

According to a survey conducted by Gallup International in the aftermath of Britons' vote to leave the EU, 61% of Bulgarians would prefer to stay in the bloc if such a referendum were held here.

Some 20% would vote leave, while 19% would be "swinging", Gallup says.

The figures show a decrease in support for the EU among Bulgarians, with a Gallup poll conducted in December of last year suggesting 82% were in favour of remaining in the EU and would vote to stay in a hypothetical referendum.

Asked whether they agree that the EU will disintegrate soon, 46% have answered "Disagree", 26% "Agree", and 28% "I don't know."

The survey conducted between July 01 and July 07 comes nearly a month after a previous one in June, testing opinions before the referendum.

In June, asked whether the result would impact their life, a resounding 67% said "No", 11% "Yes", and 22% "I don't know."

After Brexit, however, the those who thought the vote would not impact their life were 29%, 51% replying with a "Yes" and 20% "I don't know".
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:41 am

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:29 am

EU referendum
Australia eager to start free trade talks with Britain


Australia has called for a free-trade deal with Britain as soon as possible, in a boost for the newly appointed prime minister, Theresa May.

In a phone call on Saturday, May spoke to her Australian counterpart, Malcolm Turnbull, who expressed his desire to open up trading between the two countries as a matter of urgency.

There was, however, unsettling news for EU migrants who have recently arrived in the UK as the country’s new Brexit minister cast new doubt over their right to remain.

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:50 pm

People think that the three main political parties are completely incompetant. Wrong! All three parties have been very very competant at dismantling the social and economic infrastructure of this country over the last forty or so years at the behest of the unseen hands that really pull the strings. The international banksters.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:36 am

I see May has put Sturgeon in her place, Sturgeon and the SNP are a serious embarrassment to the great nation that is Scotland. But only a small part of Britain. When will Sturgeon and the SNP get into their heads the UK parliament is sovereign over certain matters, the EU and the referendum being among many. Its about time this sturgeon woman stood down............She's a one trick pony who is so focused on her own agenda that she is loosing touch with the bigger picture and reality ( believing Scotland had a veto)

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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:44 pm

Sturgeon should watch her mouth. The question in the Scottish referendum was "Should Scotland be an independent country"? The majority of Scots said NO. There was no mention about the EU in that question. The Scots will not vote to leave the UK. Even Brussels has rejected Sturgeon's nonsense for fear of provoking dozens of referenda in provinces all across Europe. Sturgeon has got above herself.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:58 pm

Hi as our new PM has said no EU citizen will have an automatic right to stay in the UK after Brexit (if it happens) what will happen to all the uk nationals living in the eu,do you think you will still be welcome in Bulgaria,in a way im glad it happened now and not after we had bought another house as we were looking at in Bulgaria.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:10 pm

The BREXIT sobering will be painful. The crucial issue is balancing the desire of British voters to restrict immigration from other EU countries with the need of British business to keep access to the European common market. But regardless of what Brexiters want Mrs May will have to face the reality and accept free movement if UK wants free trade. Anyone who knows a little about diplomacy will agree that this is about the best deal the UK will be able to secure. At the end of the day the UK will be formally put out of the EU, but remaining in the European Economic Area, working closely with the EU, conceding on the EU budget and migration, and in practical terms operating with as little change as possible. That sort of Brexit lite may disappoint UKIP, Eurosceptic sections of the Tory Party and some Leave voters, but there are two sides to these negotiations and the sooner Britain realises that it cannot simply dictate its own post-Brexit deal, the better.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:57 pm

Being optimistic about this, Europe will basically offer Britain the Norway option.
The UK has access to the single market
The UK pays a fee, close to its net contribution to the EU
There is free movement of people and labour, as there is currently
The UK has to accept the single market standards and provisions
The UK is not part of the EU

That at least wouldn't impinge on people's free movement of people, and there would be (according to the IMF, a 1.5% hit to the UK economy) The alternative is not really acceptable to, or good for anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:01 pm

oldian wrote:
Hi as our new PM has said no EU citizen will have an automatic right to stay in the UK after Brexit (if it happens) what will happen to all the uk nationals living in the eu,do you think you will still be welcome in Bulgaria,in a way im glad it happened now and not after we had bought another house as we were looking at in Bulgaria.

There are 1.3 million Brits in France and Spain alone. Do you think their hosts are just going to give up all the income these people inject into local economies? And from those on pensions, private incomes and UK employer salaries this represents a massive inflow of net capital to the counties concerned.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:16 pm

The enormous human cost of the referendum result in terms of how it affects EU nationals living in the UK and UK nationals living in the EU has so far been more or less swept under the carpet. But the fact is, you simply cannot have several decades of free movement of people, with literally millions moving between countries and living, working, marrying, forming families and setting root in other EU countries, and then suddenly pull the carpet from underneath them. It constitutes cruel punishment and violates their human rights. I'm sure there will be legal challenges. It becomes more and more apparent what a folly it was to call this referendum, and certainly in this form. The question should have been phrased in the positive and within the limits of the achievable, something like: do you want to be a member of the EU or move to a shared economic space, which includes freedom of movement and people. Disentangling the UK's ties with Europe will prove impossible, unless a wrecking ball is taken to all that has been achieved in Europe during the last 50 years terms of trade, prosperity, cooperation, integration, peace and security. Somehow this referendum result has to be undone, or steered into more constructive waters.
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PostSubject: Re: Yes or No to the EU   Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:55 pm

we are living and working in France at the moment and the French seem to think that the UK is going to kick out all the Eu citizens working there ,we have explained that this is not so ,but the European press is just like the uk press full of poop , I think brexit will probably not happen due to the welsh scots irish and London not wanting to leave ,and when people realise that boris and good old nigel lied through there teeth about the NHS, immigrants and the money we pay the Eu I think and hope they see reason and have another vote.
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